Cars affect them way more, so if anything JSO would prolly in the long term make things better for them.
You can’t be serious. People purposely blocking a motorway that’s critical for emergency services are less at fault for blocking emergency services than a person in a car or bus in your eyes?
Based.
That’s not a legal defence.
Based.
Dunno why you replied to the same line twice, but see above.
the protesters said they are glad they broke the law
See above.
Based.
See above. And no, being in contempt of court isn’t based.
Based. Being a judge prosecuting fucking climate protestors is the real crime.
No it’s not based. It’s stupidity. Insulting the judge handling your trial is moronic.
And no, judges prosecuting people guilty of committing a crime, whether you believe the charge is worthy or not, isn’t a crime. It’s their job.
Unreal, I don’t even know the guy but have enormous respect for him. Thanks for sharing this.
Funny. I feel the opposite. I was sympathetic to him before I looked into the facts and saw how much of a moron he is. The disservice he’s doing to the climate debate is immense. I hope he has a good think about his actions while he’s in prison.
He literally said he wanted people in ambulances to die due to the traffic jam FFS.
“Breaking the law and getting arrested for it is literally 1984”
Do you even know what being in Contempt of Court is?
Do you think, for example, that not turning up to court shouldn’t go against you? Or purposely trying to derail the trial? Or defying court orders? Or disclosing details of an ongoing court case, risking the entire case being dismissed? We have laws for a reason.
I suppose you must love people like Tommy Robinson, who has on multiple occasions been charged with contempt of court? Is he “based”? Is it Orwellian to bring criminal charges to him?
I agree with Tommy Robinson being charged in contempt of court because I disagree with his views.
I disagree with JSO members being charged in contempt of court because I agree with their views.
Because the former’s views are racist vile shit, but the latter’s views are well intentioned calls for reform.
The two are in fact, not equal, and treating them as such, judging them only by how well they play the system we all know is designed to benefit the status quo is putting that system onto a pedestal of perfection and ignoring all nuance.
I agree with Tommy Robinson being charged in contempt of court because I disagree with his views.
That’s not how courts work, and it’s not how laws work. It shouldn’t be done based on feels.
I disagree with JSO members being charged in contempt of court because I agree with their views.
They explicitly said they would rather people in ambulances die than let them through. Do you agree with that?
Because the former’s views are racist vile shit, but the latter’s views are well intentioned calls for reform.
Killing people is fine?
The two are in fact, not equal, and treating them as such, judging them only by how well they play the system we all know is designed to benefit the status quo is putting that system onto a pedestal of perfection and ignoring all nuance.
You can’t just say “no the law shouldn’t apply to you because I like you”. That sounds like the way some fascist shithole would be run.
That’s not how courts work, and it’s not how laws work. It shouldn’t be done based on feels.
Fee-fees != Morality, context, nuance
They explicitly said they would rather people in ambulances die than let them through. Do you agree with that?
It’s a shitty situation. They are not being listened to, what are they supposed to do? Idk I’m not them I can’t unpack all that, but somehow I doubt they have genuine contempt for random people in ambulances.
Killing people is fine?
Depends. In self-defense? Yeah, absolutely. Are they Nazis? Yeah go for it man. Landlords? Geez wait for me! Oil execs? Wait wait, slow down, let me grab my S&W.
You can’t just say “no the law shouldn’t apply to you because I like you”. That sounds like the way some fascist shithole would be run.
Well we are in a fascist shithole and it’s not run like that so checkmate redditor.
The problem is that when you let only bad guys use hypocrisy, they win.
Christ. Imagine defending someone who says that they’d rather let people in ambulances die than let them through. Yikes. I can’t even comprehend being that hateful.
Depends. In self-defense? Yeah, absolutely. Are they Nazis? Yeah go for it man. Landlords? Geez wait for me! Oil execs? Wait wait, slow down, let me grab my S&W.
Nope. People in ambulances needing hospital treatment.
Well we are in a fascist shithole and it’s not run like that so checkmate redditor.
Yawn.
People being charged for crimes they’ve committed isn’t fascism.
The mother of the person who was jailed said it was wrong as it meant her son wouldn’t be able to attend a wedding in America, which was retweeted by JSO. Absolutely hilarious for two reasons:
they think they (because they’re wealthy posh twats) shouldn’t be interrupted or made late for things, yet they are happy to make others late for things (such as being rushed to fucking A&E)
they are fine with rich people getting flights, but not poor people
We’re done here. I don’t want to talk to someone who thinks leaving people to die needlessly in ambulances is a good thing. If that really is what gets your dick hard, you need help.
When I’m in a “don’t comprehend nuance” competition and my opponent is the average Trekkie. Bet you like discovery!
We’re done here.
Woah there we got a tough guy on the internet.
I don’t want to talk to someone who thinks leaving people to die needlessly in ambulances is a good thing.
And is this someone in the here with us right now?
Because you made up a strawman in your head. I never said it is a good thing to leave people to die in ambulances needlessly.
But all the most effective protests and riots in history have had their casualties, and yet brought us the quality of life we enjoy today. That’s not fee-fees, that’s historical fact.
There’s no need to get so worked up and upset that you must twist my words to make them easier to attack.
People being charged for crimes they’ve committed isn’t fascism.
Yeah if you strip away all context from an action nothing can be anything. The anti-protest law isn’t fascistic either, it’s just a bill to keep the peace.
The mother of the person who was jailed said it was wrong as it meant her son wouldn’t be able to attend a wedding in America, which was retweeted by JSO.
Yeah I’ll agree with you there. I don’t defend those cringelords as individuals, most anprims and other climatoids are absolute morons beyond all help.
My God you are utterly pathetic individual. You actually think that your personal opinion is the same as objective reality. Either you have an ego the size of a small continent or you don’t actually understand what you’re talking about.
I honestly suspect it to be the latter, your response to me was basically copy paste eco warrior bullshit. None of it has any real recognition of the challenges faced by changing, or any real desire to moderate or come to some kind of mutual agreement. All it is is pronouncements with your nose in the air firmly telling everybody how utterly scummy they are they don’t follow your belief structure.
I don’t actually really care that much about the climate and I’m pro-natural-exploitation so long as the spoils of it are shared evenly amongst the proletariat (present and future, so including some degree of preservation), but if some pathetic centrist system-defender wants to label me an eco-warrior I’ll wear it with pride.
challenges faced by changing
Aww, profits go down? What a shame. Degrowth would be such a bad thing what will I do without the AI crypto meta verse being made in 2 years :(
any real desire to moderate or come to some kind of mutual agreement.
A mutual agreement between a rapist and a victim of rape is not a compromise of a rapist being allowed to “rape a little bit” lmao it is an acknowledgment that one party is 100% right, and the other is absolutely fucking wrong.
All it is is pronouncements with your nose in the air firmly telling everybody how utterly scummy they are they don’t follow your belief structure.
I don’t really care if you don’t believe this shit, I think you should consider it, my zealous advocatry for one side I believe is right is not a moral condemnation of opposing and especially not more moderate-but-broadly-in-agreement individuals, it is a condemnation of the system.
The le evil socialists that comprise little more than half of Gen-Z in the UK aren’t out to get some slobby middle manager’s Toyota Camry, he’s just part of a system, they’re there for those who embezzled billions to actively enforce the system.
A mutual agreement between a rapist and a victim of rape is not a compromise
If you have to descend to erroneously equating the situation to rape then you’ve lost the argument. You cannot rely on an emotional response to an intellectual exercise it’s not only dishonest it’s also unhelpful.
The world is in the state it is in not because some evil person decided to be evil one day but because of a natural development of the human condition. We can’t all go back to living in caves that wouldn’t work, we can’t sustain the current population sitting around campfires and singing camping songs. So unless your advocating for mass genocide I don’t really understand what you want here.
I would prefer to live in the real world and be a realist, I want the world to improve, but I don’t believe that the way to improve it is to be an unmoving obstacle. Doing that is counterproductive to your own argument anyway because everyone will just get fed up with you and eventually ignore you.
The world is in the state it is in not because some evil person decided to be evil one day but because of a natural development of the human condition.
I somewhat agree, but it’s not so much a question of nature and the human condition as a question of material circumstances and class warfare.
We can’t all go back to living in caves that wouldn’t work, we can’t sustain the current population sitting around campfires and singing camping songs. So unless your advocating for mass genocide I don’t really understand what you want here.
Ah yes the two options boring cyberpunk dystopias and hunter-gatherer. No in-between. None at all. /s
would prefer to live in the real world and be a realist, I want the world to improve, but I don’t believe that the way to improve it is to be an unmoving obstacle
But you just said that you don’t even understand what kind of world people want these days. I’m all for being effective, but it doesn’t seem like you believe in the possibility of structural change we need.
Doing that is counterproductive to your own argument anyway because everyone will just get fed up with you and eventually ignore you.
You can’t be serious. People purposely blocking a motorway that’s critical for emergency services are less at fault for blocking emergency services than a person in a car or bus in your eyes?
That’s not a legal defence.
Dunno why you replied to the same line twice, but see above.
See above.
See above. And no, being in contempt of court isn’t based.
No it’s not based. It’s stupidity. Insulting the judge handling your trial is moronic.
And no, judges prosecuting people guilty of committing a crime, whether you believe the charge is worthy or not, isn’t a crime. It’s their job.
Funny. I feel the opposite. I was sympathetic to him before I looked into the facts and saw how much of a moron he is. The disservice he’s doing to the climate debate is immense. I hope he has a good think about his actions while he’s in prison.
He literally said he wanted people in ambulances to die due to the traffic jam FFS.
1984
Do you even know what being in Contempt of Court is?
Do you think, for example, that not turning up to court shouldn’t go against you? Or purposely trying to derail the trial? Or defying court orders? Or disclosing details of an ongoing court case, risking the entire case being dismissed? We have laws for a reason.
I suppose you must love people like Tommy Robinson, who has on multiple occasions been charged with contempt of court? Is he “based”? Is it Orwellian to bring criminal charges to him?
You surely must be trolling.
I agree with Tommy Robinson being charged in contempt of court because I disagree with his views.
I disagree with JSO members being charged in contempt of court because I agree with their views.
Because the former’s views are racist vile shit, but the latter’s views are well intentioned calls for reform.
The two are in fact, not equal, and treating them as such, judging them only by how well they play the system we all know is designed to benefit the status quo is putting that system onto a pedestal of perfection and ignoring all nuance.
You literally just accused me of this and then you admit to actually it being your base belief structure. God you’re obnoxious.
Never accused you of this, that was another user.
That’s not how courts work, and it’s not how laws work. It shouldn’t be done based on feels.
They explicitly said they would rather people in ambulances die than let them through. Do you agree with that?
Killing people is fine?
You can’t just say “no the law shouldn’t apply to you because I like you”. That sounds like the way some fascist shithole would be run.
Fee-fees != Morality, context, nuance
It’s a shitty situation. They are not being listened to, what are they supposed to do? Idk I’m not them I can’t unpack all that, but somehow I doubt they have genuine contempt for random people in ambulances.
Depends. In self-defense? Yeah, absolutely. Are they Nazis? Yeah go for it man. Landlords? Geez wait for me! Oil execs? Wait wait, slow down, let me grab my S&W.
Well we are in a fascist shithole and it’s not run like that so checkmate redditor.
The problem is that when you let only bad guys use hypocrisy, they win.
It is fee-fees.
Christ. Imagine defending someone who says that they’d rather let people in ambulances die than let them through. Yikes. I can’t even comprehend being that hateful.
Nope. People in ambulances needing hospital treatment.
Yawn.
People being charged for crimes they’ve committed isn’t fascism.
The mother of the person who was jailed said it was wrong as it meant her son wouldn’t be able to attend a wedding in America, which was retweeted by JSO. Absolutely hilarious for two reasons:
they think they (because they’re wealthy posh twats) shouldn’t be interrupted or made late for things, yet they are happy to make others late for things (such as being rushed to fucking A&E)
they are fine with rich people getting flights, but not poor people
We’re done here. I don’t want to talk to someone who thinks leaving people to die needlessly in ambulances is a good thing. If that really is what gets your dick hard, you need help.
When I’m in a “don’t comprehend nuance” competition and my opponent is the average Trekkie. Bet you like discovery!
Woah there we got a tough guy on the internet.
And is this someone in the here with us right now?
Because you made up a strawman in your head. I never said it is a good thing to leave people to die in ambulances needlessly.
But all the most effective protests and riots in history have had their casualties, and yet brought us the quality of life we enjoy today. That’s not fee-fees, that’s historical fact.
There’s no need to get so worked up and upset that you must twist my words to make them easier to attack.
Yeah if you strip away all context from an action nothing can be anything. The anti-protest law isn’t fascistic either, it’s just a bill to keep the peace.
Yeah I’ll agree with you there. I don’t defend those cringelords as individuals, most anprims and other climatoids are absolute morons beyond all help.
Okay, now we’re actually done :)
My God you are utterly pathetic individual. You actually think that your personal opinion is the same as objective reality. Either you have an ego the size of a small continent or you don’t actually understand what you’re talking about.
I honestly suspect it to be the latter, your response to me was basically copy paste eco warrior bullshit. None of it has any real recognition of the challenges faced by changing, or any real desire to moderate or come to some kind of mutual agreement. All it is is pronouncements with your nose in the air firmly telling everybody how utterly scummy they are they don’t follow your belief structure.
I don’t actually really care that much about the climate and I’m pro-natural-exploitation so long as the spoils of it are shared evenly amongst the proletariat (present and future, so including some degree of preservation), but if some pathetic centrist system-defender wants to label me an eco-warrior I’ll wear it with pride.
Aww, profits go down? What a shame. Degrowth would be such a bad thing what will I do without the AI crypto meta verse being made in 2 years :(
A mutual agreement between a rapist and a victim of rape is not a compromise of a rapist being allowed to “rape a little bit” lmao it is an acknowledgment that one party is 100% right, and the other is absolutely fucking wrong.
I don’t really care if you don’t believe this shit, I think you should consider it, my zealous advocatry for one side I believe is right is not a moral condemnation of opposing and especially not more moderate-but-broadly-in-agreement individuals, it is a condemnation of the system.
The le evil socialists that comprise little more than half of Gen-Z in the UK aren’t out to get some slobby middle manager’s Toyota Camry, he’s just part of a system, they’re there for those who embezzled billions to actively enforce the system.
If you have to descend to erroneously equating the situation to rape then you’ve lost the argument. You cannot rely on an emotional response to an intellectual exercise it’s not only dishonest it’s also unhelpful.
The world is in the state it is in not because some evil person decided to be evil one day but because of a natural development of the human condition. We can’t all go back to living in caves that wouldn’t work, we can’t sustain the current population sitting around campfires and singing camping songs. So unless your advocating for mass genocide I don’t really understand what you want here.
I would prefer to live in the real world and be a realist, I want the world to improve, but I don’t believe that the way to improve it is to be an unmoving obstacle. Doing that is counterproductive to your own argument anyway because everyone will just get fed up with you and eventually ignore you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy
And where did I mention emotional responses?
I somewhat agree, but it’s not so much a question of nature and the human condition as a question of material circumstances and class warfare.
Ah yes the two options boring cyberpunk dystopias and hunter-gatherer. No in-between. None at all. /s
But you just said that you don’t even understand what kind of world people want these days. I’m all for being effective, but it doesn’t seem like you believe in the possibility of structural change we need.
Not how it works at all historically.
Based