Hey so I watched a video that really explains all this really well and figured I’d share it with you. For the record I do think our discussion was fruitful and amicable and that you did actually read what I said.
That was actually a very informing video. I think as well, it kinda hits home as I have faced transphobic abuse before despite being a cis man. Are there actually any statistics on people claiming to be trans to commit sex abuse?
I don’t believe there are any because generally speaking people don’t need to claim to be trans to do so. As I’ve said previously, a sign on a door is not a magic barrier, if someone wants to commit abuse of any kind they can just walk in and do that. All that this anti-trans bathroom etc stuff does is give people a legal pass to challenge a persons cis-ness and harass them that way regardless of if they are actually trans or not.
That is the real concern and there have already been credible reports of this harassment happening to people. Meanwhile there hasn’t been any credible reports of cis people pretending to be trans to abuse people.
Eh… On your last claim, if IIRC, Chris Chan is believed to have transitioned to try and get with lesbians. I don’t think this was a factor in what he later did.
There were some allegations against keffals and having a weird discord server. Again, could have been done without a transition. But it was still off.
I think the main case is the sex abuser Isla Bryson, AMAB who attempted to be moved to a female prison. It was stopped, albeit not soon enough.
Ok so simply put trans people are people which means there will be bad and good people same with cis people. Just because a trans person did a bad thing doesn’t mean they aren’t still the gender they identify as or that they’re secretly cis.
I’m not excusing their actions but simply saying that trans people are still the gender they identify as regardless of their actions just like how gay men are still gay if they do bad things. It’s a matter of identity rather than action.
Another thing to add is that cis women also abuse and rape other women but they don’t get put in men’s prisons right? Trans women are women and should be placed in the prison that matches their gender.
Eh, I wouldn’t go as far as the last point. Cis women cannot impregnate other women. Unless they don’t pose any risk to anyone there (due to a sexual/violent history), are on good behaviour and have suitably transitioned enough. Even better if they transitioned before their crime, then I can see it. But Isla Bryson, definitely not. But I think we can agree to disagree, there.
That’s what I’m here to do
No, youre clearly here to argue against people who know more than you while reading basically none of the replies and actually understanding them
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Hey so I watched a video that really explains all this really well and figured I’d share it with you. For the record I do think our discussion was fruitful and amicable and that you did actually read what I said.
Anyways here’s the link https://youtu.be/BRg3t7KINzw
That was actually a very informing video. I think as well, it kinda hits home as I have faced transphobic abuse before despite being a cis man. Are there actually any statistics on people claiming to be trans to commit sex abuse?
I don’t believe there are any because generally speaking people don’t need to claim to be trans to do so. As I’ve said previously, a sign on a door is not a magic barrier, if someone wants to commit abuse of any kind they can just walk in and do that. All that this anti-trans bathroom etc stuff does is give people a legal pass to challenge a persons cis-ness and harass them that way regardless of if they are actually trans or not.
That is the real concern and there have already been credible reports of this harassment happening to people. Meanwhile there hasn’t been any credible reports of cis people pretending to be trans to abuse people.
Eh… On your last claim, if IIRC, Chris Chan is believed to have transitioned to try and get with lesbians. I don’t think this was a factor in what he later did.
There were some allegations against keffals and having a weird discord server. Again, could have been done without a transition. But it was still off.
I think the main case is the sex abuser Isla Bryson, AMAB who attempted to be moved to a female prison. It was stopped, albeit not soon enough.
Ok so simply put trans people are people which means there will be bad and good people same with cis people. Just because a trans person did a bad thing doesn’t mean they aren’t still the gender they identify as or that they’re secretly cis.
I’m not excusing their actions but simply saying that trans people are still the gender they identify as regardless of their actions just like how gay men are still gay if they do bad things. It’s a matter of identity rather than action.
Another thing to add is that cis women also abuse and rape other women but they don’t get put in men’s prisons right? Trans women are women and should be placed in the prison that matches their gender.
Eh, I wouldn’t go as far as the last point. Cis women cannot impregnate other women. Unless they don’t pose any risk to anyone there (due to a sexual/violent history), are on good behaviour and have suitably transitioned enough. Even better if they transitioned before their crime, then I can see it. But Isla Bryson, definitely not. But I think we can agree to disagree, there.