A British Transport Police spokesperson said: “Under previous policy, we had advised that someone with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) may be searched in accordance with their acquired sex, however as an interim position while we digest yesterday’s judgement, we have advised our officers that any same sex searches in custody are to be undertaken in accordance with the biological birth sex of the detainee.

“We are in the process of reviewing the implications of the ruling and will consider any necessary updates to our policies and practices in line with the law and national guidance.”

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          Except if you compare these two sources, one is from an organisation that relies on the scientific method, and the other is from a lobbying organisation that exists to promote conservative ideologies.

          These things are not the same.

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          Did you not read the article?

          The central point of the argument you shared is that the natural variation in sex among humans doesn’t count because anything that doesn’t fall into a rigid binary is an exception to the rule.

          That’s tautological, “my dogma is correct because anything that contradicts me doesn’t count.” This isn’t science, it’s ideology.

          Science is built upon the fact that the existence of exceptions to a rule means that the rule doesn’t describe reality. If your system of categorization requires exceptions, then there are categories you failed to describe.

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            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Scholars

            National Association of Scholars (NAS) is an American 501©(3) non-profit politically conservative education advocacy organization. It advocates against multiculturalism, diversity policies, and against courses focused on race and gender issues.

            NAS is a member of the advisory board of Project 2025

            Yeah this seems like a scientifically-minded unbiased organisation on the matter

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            Two sexes.

            Let’s see a man try to give birth and a woman get a man pregnant. That is binary. Never in the history of human kind has a man birthed a child.

            Forget your little gender words (which are Just made up by JM)

            Anyway I’m done arguing with extreme leftists. Online doesn’t reflect reality thankfully.

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              You are obviously not aware of the fact that trans men can and do get pregnant and trans women can and do sire children. Your “never in history” argument has, in fact, never been true, since it relies upon the assumption that trans people aren’t real.

              This “two sexes” argument is reductive to a fault. By the binary logic, all men must be equally “manly”. Unless your argument is that every man you know is as manly as a trans woman in skirts and eyeliner, then you’re just lying to yourself. If some men can be more or less manly than others then the distribution of sex must be bimodal rather than binary.

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                  Again, if trans men are women then these are the kind of people you think belong in women’s rooms:

                  If you don’t want people that look like men in women’s rooms then the definition of “man” and “woman” can’t be based on private physical features that we keep out of sight under our clothes.

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                    Women get pregnant not men

                    My mom had a hysterectomy years ago. She’ll never get pregnant again. By this logic, my mom is no longer a woman.

                    Of course, if you have any experience talking with cissexists you’ll know that they distract people from their poorly conceived, fuckbrained arguments by just repeatedly moving the goalposts.

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                    You literally only have taking points from every extreme leftist argument ever.

                    Get over yourself.

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      Sex is both variable and mutable. Both in our species and beyond it. Humans are not special.

      I think you’re weird for caring so much about sex segregated spaces. If women (cis or trans) don’t feel safe in co-ed changing rooms with older men then there are much bigger problems with society that need to be addressed.

      Mandating that trans men like the boxer below are required to use the womens’ room is obviously not going to make anybody feel safer.

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        Or how about a more rational idea- just make a smaller individual changing room for the minority of people like this. We already have disabled bathrooms which are gender neutral, why not disabled single unit changing rooms? I’m autistic and would never feel comfortable using a communal changing room anyway - whether I am surrounded by naked men or women. This would also benefit me and people like me as well.

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              1. We are.
              2. We acknowledge that this is a sub-optimal solution due to the cost in labor and materials of modifying every public bathroom.
              3. We acknowledge that there are much bigger problems we could be spending our time and energy on.
              4. We acknowledge that the problem is blown way out of proportion by right-wing ideologues who are themselves far more likely to commit sexual assault than the trans people they fearmonger about.
              5. We acknowledge that the problem is entirely isolated to the “conservative” mindset that fears difference and ambiguity, and that modifying the environs to minimize friction does not address the fundamental issues impacting womens’ sense of safety around men.
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                Every public bathroom is already required to have disabled units. I’m talking about changing rooms.

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                  You’re going to have to explain how the difference between bathrooms and changing rooms is relevant, because I’ve got no clue what sort of point you’re trying to make.

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                    Because every public bathroom I’ve been to has a disabled toilet.

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        Thankfully society agrees with me and not the online bubble world.

        I don’t care what someone does with their body, the pronouns they pick it what they believe they are. The women/man in the photo you attached can identify as what they like. Someone just identifying as a male or female with no changes to their physical characteristics is also allowed in the opposite change room though? It’s always the extreme with you lot.

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          Thankfully society agrees with me and not the online bubble world.

          Show me a society that wants to require guys to use women’s spaces like you do, lol.

          I don’t care what someone does with their body, the pronouns they pick it what they believe they are.

          But do you care when someone that looks like a man uses the women’s room?

          The women/man in the photo you attached can identify as what they like.

          That’s not the question. The question is who gets to decide which bathroom people use. I think the government doesn’t need be involved in that decision, you seem to be of the “papers, please” persuasion.

          Someone just identifying as a male or female with no changes to their physical characteristics is also allowed in the opposite change room though? It’s always the extreme with you lot.

          You’re calling me extreme, when you’re here saying that people who have made changes to their physical characteristics should be required to use a restroom that doesn’t match them.