Also, it wouldn’t actually silence his critics on this, precisely because it won’t change anything. The war will continue, so people would just start demanding that [Starmer] demand issuing arrest warrants for Israeli government ministers who come to the UK, or trade embargoes, or whatever.
i guess defending starmer’s “earlier, weak position on gaza” is more or less equivalent to criticism of it
pointing out that when you say “iran and israel should face international justice”, you only mean “iran should face international justice” is relevant, yes
i’m not insulting you when i call you a hypocrite, i’m just accurately labeling the thing you’re doing, and if you take the word for the thing you’re doing as an insult, that’s maybe a sign you should stop doing that thing
if you want to take referencing a year’s worth of posts establishing your position on israel as a purity test then i could play my own fun little line drawing game
yes because people never say things that aren’t true or that they don’t really believe
it’s not really anybody’s problem that you’re a hypocrite, but it is relevant to point out that it’s likely the case
whether or not you actually care about israel’s war crimes is very obviously materially relevant to the conversation
i’m not asking for the sum total of your opinions
i’m asking for any evidence an opinion which you’ve previously been happy to provide on several past occasions isn’t in piss-baby centrist territory
oh we’re playing the “draw the precise, exact line” game, are we?
whatever that line is, a year and multiple times talking specifically about israel seems like enough time to get across a sentiment more negative than “i guess israel is kind of bad, but we can’t be too hasty about these things”
my account is 3 days old and your account is over 300 days old
you’ve been plenty active in feddit.uk over the past few months, which has had plenty of news stories to pick from where it would’ve been a relevant remark, and it’s not like you haven’t spoken about israel during that time, and the harshest thing you’ve had to say about the situation is now, but only in the context of iran also deserving international justice
any given thing
literally the thing we’re talking about
the precise context I think is important
literally any context other than this specific one
if you only ever bring up how israel needs to face international justice in the context of iran facing international justice, it kind of sounds like you don’t really care about israel facing international justice
is a lie a lie if it’s unintentional?
out of interest could you link to a time you’ve called for israel to face international justice outside the context of “iran should also face international justice”?
Any alleged wrongdoings on Israel’s part
“alleged wrongdoings” when there’s video evidence
no equivalence between [potential Israeli human rights abuses] and the denial of paid work, Jew-baiting, herding into ghettos, incarceration, disease and starvation
“potential human rights abuses”
incarceration, disease and starvation is literally ongoing because of israel’s actions
The Israeli–Palestinian conflict is a territorial and political one
attempted genocide is just a territorial and political issue?
the best case scenario here is that this was just a really clumsy appeal to authority on your behalf
kind of pointless arguing with somebody reality-challenged enough that they can describe a genocide and then go “see no genocide”
it’s pretty obvious to anybody paying attention what’s going on in gaza, you just evidently just don’t want to pay attention
so take your pick: is israel’s bombing so wildly indiscriminate that they’re just razing 80% of gaza, or are they deliberately targeting the infrastructure people need to live in a place?