Yeah, well, labour said stuff like that was bad and then did something similar that wasn’t even a fraction of a fraction as bad.

As such, they’re all equally as bad as each other.

“A special military operation”

The difference being that one is well documented history and the one isn’t.

If it wasn’t the CIA, it would probably be someone one. You don’t have to take it as a personal insult, if you don’t want to. Especially as it wasn’t meant as one.

It is a wonder how this can go on. I live in London and I, like most people, can have weed delivered, just as you would a pizza flavours and all.

Most people who’ve been on the internet long enough are aware of the CIA flooding the US with crack in the 80s. They thing most people don’t realise is that the CIA have also run the global heroin game since the 1940s too. The crack in the 80s job was neither the first nor the largest time they did it. For anyone interested, Google operation gladio.

Heroin was grown in Myanmar, moved out through Thailand, shipped to France where it either ended up with the mob in the US or flooded into eroupe all under the protection of the CIA. Myanmar was the largest supplier of heroin in the world, right up until Afghanistan took the title in the 2010s.

I know right?

It make no sense at all why the UK wouldn’t legalise weed. Well, that is, it makes no sense at all, right up until the second you stop presuming any kind of good faith. The second you stop, then, as if by magic, everything clicks into place.

I see a fair amount of online adverts that use them. Usually the kind you might get orbiting an article of some kind, just using AI images as their hook.

Capital is an abstract parasite, an insatiable vampire and zombie maker; but the living flesh it converts into dead labor is ours, and the zombies it makes are us.

Same thing really but I really like Fishers incorporation of zombies

Not OPs fault of course but its only “absurd” if you choose to forget that the tories are bought and paid for by the oil and gas lobbies.

Hard agree. They gutted the electoral commission while gerrymandering like crazy. They have an army of right wing boomers brow beating anyone they come across into the ground with their “the two parties are identical in every single way” BS (all claiming to be left wingers while doing so, of course). If labour had been betting on things, using insider knowledge, there would be arrests already. The Met police went to the most secure and videoed place in the country (10 downing street) and lied, telling the whole nation that there was no evidence of the parties they were having during lockdown. Etc etc etc.

The very wealthy people and powerful people they represent won’t go quietly, if at all, and they have no morals.

We have courts for that and intent is very much a factor in nearly all cases. So, its not like its something alien that they couldn’t cope with.

To me, if anything, it would add to the weight on a conviction, as the requirements to meet it would be so high.

You did claim to have voted left all before this. If not labour, who was it?

The idea that “the left” want immigration is a right wing trope, full of racism. They just presume they want more as “immigrants vote left” which is statically untrue. Its a mix, as we import conservative types too.

So, with that in mind, who actaully benefits from mass immigration? Its not labour or the people they represent. So, who is it that benefits from mass lowering of wages and increased housing prices due to the manufactured housing crisis?

Well, anyone should be able to figure out that it’s the wealthy and their business interests who benefit and they’re represented by the right. Always have been.

I don’t think we will

Being able to work less and not having to toil all day for someone else’s gain is a left wing idea. Theres no world where the right get in and we work less. In fact, everything they do is to make non-rich people work more, for less.

I care about the people who live here and not symbols or fake, fairytale history that gets weaponised and used to make people vote against their own self interest. I care to save our NHS from the very same corporate interests you want to vote for. But you’d be happy to lose even more of your life to work and our NHS, if the right wing (who benefit the most and have presided over the most immigration ever) end immigration which would be impossible and they would never do anyway.

I mean, what am I supposed to say to that?

The reason we have such hight immigration is because companies have been allowed to run roughshod over our immigration system. All they have to do is float some job adverts and they can pretend there’s a skill shortage. Corporatists have done this to stop wages from going up. I image we agree roughly so far.

Labour want a points based system and a central body overlooking what actually is a skill shortage and whats a lie. Immigration will go down, as soon as you don’t have corporatists in charge.

Haven’t you found it funny how reform get so much airtime, despite having only one, solitary councillor in the whole of the UK? I mean, the greens have nearly 1,000 but we don’t hear a peep out of them on the big news stations. Yet reform are all 9ver the place.

Anyway, in completely unrelated news I’m sure, reform are looking to gut our NHS and they’re getting huge backing, support and platforming by the lobby groups who are lickling their lips and circling like vultures hoping to gorge themselves on tax payer money and the death our NHS may be driven to by the tories.

I had a glace at your link and I think we agree on lots of things. I’m sad to see that you’ve been convinced that we would ever be allowed to work less, under right wing governments. Theyre the driving force of immigration, lowered wages and cut services. There’s nothing to suggest labour won’t reduce immigration, other than the wild declarations and made up stories of people who would never vote labour anyway.

Youre trying to fuck your way to virginity.

Don’t worry, no one here is as thick as you. Apparently, a points based system and banning companies who abuse the system is too vague and hard to understand for some of us.

“The boats” are a drop in the bucket compared to legal immigration, all cheered on by right wing corporatists. Its just a banner to distract morons.

So, what left leaving policy did they have? Remember, you had some hilarious claims about needing economic lefty-ness before. So, they must have something. I mean, it can’t just be about immigration when all those factors that won you over would be included in a points based system?

Lol, we both know its not about the fine detail. Its about dog whistling.

My mind is open. Its just youre taking a load of bollocks, is all. Its really not my fault you’re trying to sell these whoppers.

I’ll show you how it doesn’t hold up:

Exaclty who are “the left” here and what isn’t going far enough, that reform has gone far enough on? Don’t be light on the detail or just declare wide sweeping BS and you should find the root of the problem.

To normalise the idea that people who once voted "for the left ^^^tm " now voting for a hard right reform party. Because you’re bored. Because it seemed funny. Who knows, why does anyone lie?

So, as “the left” aren’t meeting your left wing economic planning expectations, you decided to go with a party who have NO left leaning economic plans. Well, id love to hear how you plan to square that circle.

Of course I can accept that people have different opinions to me. What a silly thing to say. No, sadly, its that it sounds like bollocks and it doesn’t hold up to any scrutiny, is all.

Course you did and it’s their fault youre voting farrage too…

“Da left” haven’t done anything at all, seeing as they haven’t been in power for over 2 decades. Thats why your claim makes no sense.

Oh, it makes you send a message alright. Although, its not the one you think you’re sending.

Its not surprising, considering the disproportional amount of airtime news stations like sky and the BBC keep giving them.

I mean, they have 1 councilor and so much coverage. The green party have over 300 and you’ll never hear a peep out of them from the right wing client media or the compromised BBC.

As wonderful a sweeping statement as “the left have lost their mind” (said no one who would ever vote left ever) is, its pretty laughable that anyone thinks the corporatist reform party would ever actually lower immigration.

I mean, literally all of the left leaning parties have said they will lower immigration but don’t let that ruin the narrative.

As was always the plan, the very rich and powerful are the only people who benefited from brexit.

Its why they chose to go on through with brexit, right when we were staring down the barrel of a pandemic and economic shutdown, despite the EU saying we can pause until its over. It left those utter tories enough with plausible deniability to be able to declare its everything else’s fault but brexit.

It doesn’t need replacing. It just needs binning.