That inflated panic started.

When a Chinese company refused to work with the UK gov to keep a plant they own running. Even when the UK offered to cover the costs of doing so. They demanded much higher payments and still refused to guarantee to keep[ the plant running and not destroying the plant by refusing to feed the furnaces. .

While we have critical infrastructure owned by multiple nations.

We have never had a situation where that infer structure risks being destroyed and the companies have refused to work to keep it effective. Or by some (rational) interpretations attempting to destroy it.

Such a situation will naurally cincentrate initial anger on the nation acting.

Yeah, we are at fault for-ever allowing it. But the panic about china, perceived intent, is far from invalid.

While i agree.

This whole article is based on nothing but gueaes and suspicion.

China has no duty or moral obligation to run british steel infrastructure at a loss. And if the UK wants to keep the plants running (at £700k a day while not being able to sell that ateel. Its rather presumptuous to expect chinese companies to do it when UK ones were nott able to do so profitably.

Nationalise and accept that is the cost of keepinflg a steel inferstructure when most of the developed world is also so and selling steel cheap.

Anything else is expecting china to fund our steel at a loss to their own.

It was a dumb choice to start with. We pay now.

Canada had a trade deal. Trump signed it.

Same for Australia and any other nations just attacked with tarrifs.

Under trump no trade deal is to be trusted as he will invalidate it any time he farts.

Honestly even when trump is gone. We can no longer trust any deal with the US. As a nation they will just vote in another nutcase.

No deal of any forearm with the US is worth the paper it is written on. And the sooner all nations start To make that opinion clear… The sooner the world can get past its dependence.

The lose of the UK steel making skills and resources. Is considered way more serious.

It would take a few years to get back, up and running. Way longer if it is closed long enough for the skills to need retraining.

With international trade in flux atm. It is more important not to lose our own abilities.

Adding the potential for war with Russia. Placing ourselves in a situation where we cannot make steel is a very high risk. Both economic and military wise

Its worth keeping even if it is basically used as a operational museum just to make expensive steel at a loss.

Also worth considering (with no evidence) this may be exactly why China cares more about home production now steel prices make it harder. They have 0 motive to support our nations steel capacity in the current climate.

Agreed.

But the issue is with both the words extremists and religious. No extremists thinks they are. Heck I can assure you most think our rejection is extream. And religiose people rarely admit their restrictions are religion. Even when using the Bible to justify shit. They will argue it is science or common sense.

Their is a need to term unacceptable laws in a way that forces them to openly argue their restrictions do not apply. Or actually are religious extremism. The latter is close to impossible.

Be honest with ourselves. I agree trans equality laws should exist. But only 20 or 30 years ago society as a majority society considered them extream. Some off us remember it even if we disagreed.

Gay marriage was def extream when I was in my teens. Gary rights at all in my parents teens. (They also disagreed)

And a very small % of any of those considered their religious ideals as a significant element.

Unfortunately it requires our government to take a strong position. To actually stand up publicly and tell the people of the UK. We will not tollerarate this return to the fascist playback used before ww2.

Without that librarians and soon store keepers etc will constantly face the threats and attacks of extremists groups. Claiming the same anti DEI and equality shit happening in doge.

Much like anti abortion protesters try to intimidated those that disagree with them protesting clinics etc.

That is exactly what is being attempted here. Racism prejudice and fear for the future is being weaponised by the right. If our gov dose not stand up to the actions now. The attempts in the US to override the legal system etc will follow. Reform or a reunigghting of the people who support it will turn into a trump like administration.

We saw the start of this when Boris tried to shut down parliment illegally. The attacks on the echr are the UK equiv of the claim we saw leading up to trump 1. IE the supreme Court has become political. Gaining the power to take control. Our right is doing the same by trying to eject us from the courts mandate.

Yeah. Chinas attempt to close the plant. Even while the gov was offering to provide the fuel costs etc.

Makes it clear nationalisation os the only why we can ensure the plant is kept able to produce steel.

The chinese owners know full well shutting it down is akin to disabling it. And wanted to walk out doing that.

The workers who kept it running while the gov got this bill running. Deserve some seriose credit here.

Mainly because they are unprofitable edit: typo reversed my meaning.

The gov is considering nationalisation but to keep the active ability in the UK not for prifit. It was announced this morning that the plant would likely have to run at a loss.

I agree we should nationalize it. And if we are losing money anyway. Use the steel for most gov projects etc.

But parliment is not considering it practicle for us to sell steel at a compeitive rate to china amd other cheap labour nations.

And as of now. Even the quality is not likely to be a huge selling point. As china etc are very able to make quality steel now.

Nope if you look up using rated is a modern term adapted from US English. It is common in younger Internet raised populations. But those of us in our 50s never use razed.

Raise to the ground is the spelling used with that term in UK english.

Sorry nope.

Only if you are American. And as I’m in the UK talking about our history. I’ll stick with UK English

True fiscally. But it will piss tusk off.

The only way to smash cars that effects him. Is to do so in a tesla car park. And even them. Increased insurance premiums is all he will face.

Agreed. Not sure anyone else’s is much better. Africa mainly because Europe destroyed it. But all nations tend to tell themselves a rosy picture of their past.

Africa unfortunatly dose not have the media industry to tell what truth they can find.

But if you know any. Id Love to read any good fiction based on their history especially west Africa. That is after all how the west built our own biased stories.

… and an idiot

Well nearly 100 years of movies etc failing to show the truth about pre colonial Africa.

Its hardly a surprise he dose not even recognise we raised multiple African city States to the ground.

Add the likes of pit rivers influence on our early british museums etc. There is still a strong belief that the west found undeveloped savages rather then complex multicultural settlements throughout pre colonial Africa.

As a society we still do not make any effort to portray the truth about Africa pre colonisation. Hardly a surprise young brits grow up dumb to reality.

That said. Some how thinking Europe was a bastion of peace and goodwill to all nations in the 17 and 1800s. While the Africans were constantly at war.

Yeah thats real idiotic with no excuse.

The issue with an official gov promoting buy British. Is our media is seen by all the nations that see it as don’t buy them.

It turns other nations populations against us. While doing little to help our actual economy. Selling to other nations will always have a better effect on our econ then buying ourselves. More so because very little of what we produce is import free.

This was an issue when govs tried it in the late 60s leading up to us joining the EU predecessor.

Any official campaign needs to concentrate on the enemy trying to limit trade. (They ain’t doing that either. And given trumps insanity I’m not sure it would do any good long trrm)

But anything that looks like we are rejecting the rest of the world it def bad for us in the short and long term. More so now we don’t have the EU trade to back us up.

And yet they won’t endorse Buy British.

The issue with buy British is, it equates to an anti all foreign trade message. Where we actually need a stronger trade link with nations other then the US.

“Don’t buy US” is more effective

In the US most equipment suppliers have raised loading unloading for contractors.

So the big pickups are designed to be a similar height to low loader semis in the US.

Thanks due to vision loss I’ve not been able to drive since 2010ish.

So have not been paying attention to the market.

Oops.

I’d say its the reverse. The fact that disabled have been abused by tories for 14 years. Yet no one paid significant attention to protests. Means they are already invisible to the majority. So the gov knows the can intentionally ignore them while increasing the abuse…

If it is nationalised. It will be entirly about keeping the ability in the UK.

So expect it to be little more then an operating museum that can up production in an emergency.